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#1 posted 11-27-2018 10:40 PM

I can agree that evolution must go on, but my complaints between old and new machinery is not the safety devices being put on today s tools (insurance concern driven), but the overall quality. The quality just doesn t seem to be there anymore. Metals used are not as good as in the older machines. That is why these old machines are still with us; the quality of the materials were better. An example is the “aging” of castings that doesn t seem to be done anymore. It takes time to build a good machine. Machines like CNC machining centers cost a great deal of money because they are carefully made using quality materials. How much care can be put into a $1000 machine. I believe today s goods are designed to only last a limited amount of time. It has to do with repeat sales. Like Henry Ford s model T, he learned that he would soon go out of business if his cars lasted too long. This is a throw-away society by design.

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Part of the issue is in the case of the cabinet saw they are not used commercially very often now. Small to medium cabinet shops use sliders (if they are capitalized well enough) and larger cabinet shops use CNC. The hobbyists is the primary target for cabinet saws now and they are price sensitive as a whole. Take for example the last time the PM141 (14” cast bandsaw) was in the Powermatic catalog it cost almost $2K, that was about 20 years ago. How many hobbyists will pay that for a 14” saw with 6” of height below the guides? You can still buy an industrial level cabinet saw or bandsaw if you are willing to spend the money.

BTW aging of cast iron doesn’t need to be done today and relies on the seasonal changes at the foundry to work well. It doesn’t mean all foundries are properly annealing their CI but outdoor seasoning is neither preferred nor cost-effective.

High-quality tools and machines for any facet of woodworking are still available just the price point is out of reach for most hobbyists and since many are no longer used in commercial settings the price goes up even further.

While it is a throwaway society most hobby shops I see have much more capacity than those of 30 years ago and people are willing to make that sacrifice just like they do inside their home where many would rather have a 70” UHD flat panel vs a 26” tube SD TV even though the life of the flat panel is likely only 1/4 as long and normally can’t be repaired economically.

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