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#1 posted 09-22-2018 12:57 AM

Thanks for everyone’s feedback. I’m sorry about the delay in responding. Things have been a bit hectic here lately.

I really am such a finishing noob, so this is a learning process for me. At the time I wrote my post, I had finished with brushing on the initial SealCoat coats, and I was ready for the “stain as a glaze” step before I hesitated and thought, “what exactly do I need to do here.”

I was thinking that this might not be the best finish for this. It is, after all, just a sample, but if my wife wants this particular finish on a frame for some of her artwork, I’d have to do it on more frames, and if I can’t make it work on the sample, it’ll be a no go. But, a couple of things…. First, something I’ve seen and wondered about though is the Preval sprayer reviewed here… http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/2522 by David Grimes. I’ve wondered if this would help. Secondly, the FW article said to apply the SealCoat straight from the can, but I’ve seen a video that I find very interesting at https://www.woodworkerssource.com/blog/woodworking-projects/video-the-perfect-wood-finish-for-dark-hardwoods-try-this/ where SealCoat is thinned down by 25% with DNA, and they also add a small amount of mineral oil to “prevent streaking”. It’s applied by both pad and brush and supposedly runs are “self-fixing” during application with the pad. He starts talking about the SealCoat at about the 1:44 mark. The mineral oil in the mix needs to be removed afterwards with naphtha however.

@CWWoodworking
- I wish I had a spray setup, but I can’t justify it right now. That would make a lot of finishing a lot easier. See my comment about the Preval sprayer above, though.

@Rich
- Correct, the article doesn’t mention scuffing before staining. If I could pull off a run free SealCoat coat before glazing with the stain, I think I’d be ok to go ahead with the stain, but I haven’t been happy with the runs I’ve been getting from applying the SealCoat with the brush. I did wonder if I could or should rub out the last SealCoat coat to try for a nice scratch free surface before the stain. Of course spraying the SealCoat may eliminate that problem, but I’m not equipped to do that, unless I used something like the Preval sprayer that I mentioned above. Also, maybe I could try an additional “last coat” using the method mentioned above, thinning the SealCoat down with DNA and using a little mineral oil.

I was thinking about the lacquer idea, too. I’m guessing if I did it that way I’d just substitute the lacquer for the SealCoat, first putting on the lacquer, then the stain as a glaze, with a final protective lacquer coat? I was just looking for something to add some depth, and maybe just a little color. You mentioned dyes… I haven’t worked with dyes before, so I’d have to learn about that before trying it.

@Breeze73
Thanks for the info. That sounds like a good process. I’ve used the General Finishes Java Gel Stain once before on a jewelry tree for my wife. I like that dark color. I bet it’ll look great on the bed you’re making. I’ll have to keep in mind thinning the SealCoat down for future projects. The video I mentioned above thins SealCoat (dewaxed shellac) down by 25% with DNA. Do you do a single coat of the thinned down shellac or multiple coats before the stain? I wish the FW article hadn’t said to use the SealCoat straight from the can.

@OSU55
Thank you very much for that finishing discussion link. That’ll be very helpful to me! I’ve only been able to skim through it so far, but I definitely need to read it in detail before I figure out what my next step is. Basically, I just wanted to find a finish that would add a some depth to the grain and maybe just a little color, though not too much as I wanted to keep it on the lighter side.

@Tony1212
That’s a great looking project, well done! Thanks for sharing your process. It’s very helpful. I have used Minwax Pre-Stain sanding sealer before and liked the way it prevented blotchiness in stain applied afterwards. I went with the SealCoat this time, because I was trying to follow the FW article directions, but at this point, I’m not sure if it’s the best finish for these frames. I have to think it through a bit.


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