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#1 posted 09-22-2018 12:57 AM

Thanks for everyone’s feedback. I’m sorry about the delay in responding. Things have been a bit hectic here lately.

I really am such a finishing noob, so this is a learning process for me. At the time I wrote my post, I had finished with brushing on the initial SealCoat coats, and I was ready for the “stain as a glaze” step before I hesitated and thought, “what exactly do I need to do here.”

I was thinking that this might not be the best finish for this. It is, after all, just a sample, but if my wife wants this particular finish on a frame for some of her artwork, I’d have to do it on more frames, and if I can’t make it work on the sample, it’ll be a no go. But, a couple of things…. First, something I’ve seen and wondered about though is the Preval sprayer reviewed here… by David Grimes. I’ve wondered if this would help. Secondly, the FW article said to apply the SealCoat straight from the can, but I’ve seen a video that I find very interesting at where SealCoat is thinned down by 25% with DNA, and they also add a small amount of mineral oil to “prevent streaking”. It’s applied by both pad and brush and supposedly runs are “self-fixing” during application with the pad. He starts talking about the SealCoat at about the 1:44 mark. The mineral oil in the mix needs to be removed afterwards with naphtha however.

- I wish I had a spray setup, but I can’t justify it right now. That would make a lot of finishing a lot easier. See my comment about the Preval sprayer above, though.

- Correct, the article doesn’t mention scuffing before staining. If I could pull off a run free SealCoat coat before glazing with the stain, I think I’d be ok to go ahead with the stain, but I haven’t been happy with the runs I’ve been getting from applying the SealCoat with the brush. I did wonder if I could or should rub out the last SealCoat coat to try for a nice scratch free surface before the stain. Of course spraying the SealCoat may eliminate that problem, but I’m not equipped to do that, unless I used something like the Preval sprayer that I mentioned above. Also, maybe I could try an additional “last coat” using the method mentioned above, thinning the SealCoat down with DNA and using a little mineral oil.

I was thinking about the lacquer idea, too. I’m guessing if I did it that way I’d just substitute the lacquer for the SealCoat, first putting on the lacquer, then the stain as a glaze, with a final protective lacquer coat? I was just looking for something to add some depth, and maybe just a little color. You mentioned dyes… I haven’t worked with dyes before, so I’d have to learn about that before trying it.

Thanks for the info. That sounds like a good process. I’ve used the General Finishes Java Gel Stain once before on a jewelry tree for my wife. I like that dark color. I bet it’ll look great on the bed you’re making. I’ll have to keep in mind thinning the SealCoat down for future projects. The video I mentioned above thins SealCoat (dewaxed shellac) down by 25% with DNA. Do you do a single coat of the thinned down shellac or multiple coats before the stain? I wish the FW article hadn’t said to use the SealCoat straight from the can.

Thank you very much for that finishing discussion link. That’ll be very helpful to me! I’ve only been able to skim through it so far, but I definitely need to read it in detail before I figure out what my next step is. Basically, I just wanted to find a finish that would add a some depth to the grain and maybe just a little color, though not too much as I wanted to keep it on the lighter side.

That’s a great looking project, well done! Thanks for sharing your process. It’s very helpful. I have used Minwax Pre-Stain sanding sealer before and liked the way it prevented blotchiness in stain applied afterwards. I went with the SealCoat this time, because I was trying to follow the FW article directions, but at this point, I’m not sure if it’s the best finish for these frames. I have to think it through a bit.

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