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Project by Oldtool posted 08-05-2020 05:48 PM 469 views 1 time favorited 10 comments Add to Favorites Watch

This was, I thought, going to be an easy project, with new skills to learn, and fun to do. Well as things always go, not so easy after all, but plenty of new skill opportunities in the Compound Dovetail Arena.

The part I found most challenging was getting the angles just right for good assembly & appearance. I reviewed several Youtube videos and many web sites concerning this topic, then found it had a lot more difficulty than I thought would be in this assembly. There are no square cuts, and web site assistance for this is typically for miter saw settings, or table saw settings. Not having either of these, I viewed Bob Rozaieski’s How to cut compound angled dovetails with hand tools Bob states that cutting dovetails makes the process easier, due to the two sides passing through each other then trimming off the excess. Maybe so but I found cutting the dovetails somewhat difficult to do without creating gaps the size of the Grand Canyon, so I found & used a web site calculator that made the butt joints easy.

The first web calculator can be found at: http://www.pdxtex.com/canoe/compound.htm

However, I found this second to be much more helpful, for a few reasons: 1. It permits splayed sides to be at different slope angles for a 4 sided assembly with opposite sites matching – unlike the first that requires all sides to be the same slope, 2. this calculator permits calculating a butt joint angle, plus a mitered joint, whereas the first is limited to mitered joints. There are also many additional aspects to this second calculator as well, for use with making pyramids, a board into a post, etc. This can be found at: http://jansson.us/jcompound.html#general

Photos 1 and 2 above show my tray with all sides sloped at 30 degrees from vertical, numbers 3, 4, & 5 with fully painted hardware and the separate legs, and ..

Photo number 6 is the set of plans provided me by my better half, after she found the lanterns at the wives equivalent of the big box store – QVC.

This was challenging, but fun to work on, and my hand tool skills are a little bit better for it.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln





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Woodknack

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#1 posted 08-05-2020 05:56 PM

Classic look, love it.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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ohwoodeye

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#2 posted 08-05-2020 06:16 PM

Looks good.
I was going to say…....”oh, I really like how it looks decorated in the Christmas Theme”......until I read your description. Therefore I won’t say that.

-- "Fine Woodworking" is the name given to a project that takes 3 times longer than normal to finish because you used hand tools instead of power tools. ----Mike, Waukesha, WI

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Dave Polaschek

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#3 posted 08-05-2020 06:31 PM

That’s a sharp-looking tray, and I don’t see any gaps, so congratulations! Nice work!

I’ve found that doing dovetails at non-right angles can be tricky, but mostly it’s a matter of being able to hold things at the correct angles so I can draw out all my lines. If I can get the lines marked, I can usually saw them, but sometimes getting them marked is a real head-scratcher.

-- Dave - Santa Fe

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oldrivers

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#4 posted 08-05-2020 07:27 PM

Beautiful finished project. as for those compound angles I have been there done that and boy they can be trickey.

-- Soli Deo gloria!

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#5 posted 08-05-2020 10:55 PM

Tom, the tray turned out beautifully but I am confused about your reference to dovetails as I don’t see any.

-- On the eighth day God was back in His woodworking shop! Lenny, East Providence, RI

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Oldtool

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#6 posted 08-05-2020 11:16 PM



Tom, the tray turned out beautifully but I am confused about your reference to dovetails as I don t see any.

- Lenny

Hi Lenny,
Nope, no dovetails, did a butt joint. Tried dovetails, because this was my first attempt at compound joints, and each side component was about 4” longer than needed, allowing for practice, practice, practice. Even then., my dovetails had big gaps. Because the second link to a calculator above yielded a butt joint angle as well as a miter angle, I decided to try that. Worked like a charm.
I was even going to try a hand cut box joint sort of, meaning dovetails without the angular cut, thus simplifying the sawing, but by that time frustration led to think: “heck, this is just for Christmas display, not year round, so what the heck”, so butt joints were born. I did pin nail the butt joints, didn’t just rely on glue.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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recycle1943

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#7 posted 08-05-2020 11:38 PM

Very nice tray – walnut ?

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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Oldtool

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#8 posted 08-06-2020 12:43 AM



Very nice tray – walnut ?

- recycle1943

Dick,
Mahogany, I think African Mahogany. Left over from a previous project, the Thomas Jefferson Lap Desk.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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StLouisWoodworker

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#9 posted 08-09-2020 04:02 PM

If you are interested in the math behind the angles, see:
http://dls-website.com/documents/WoodworkingNotes/TwoSlopes.pdf
This includes mitered as well as butt joints.

-- Don Snyder (38.6N, 90.3W)

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Oldtool

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#10 posted 08-09-2020 04:45 PM


If you are interested in the math behind the angles, see:
http://dls-website.com/documents/WoodworkingNotes/TwoSlopes.pdf
This includes mitered as well as butt joints.

- StLouisWoodworker

Thank you Professor, very much appreciated. I also went to your website & downloaded your paper Compound – Angle Joinery, as I found the link provided here only went to a single page of the same paper. ( Opps, correction – I just got it to work.) Could be me, I’m known within my family as being technically challenged. The grandkids enjoy getting me involved with websites and apps, for a good laugh.
One aspect to woodworking I enjoy is seeking problem solutions, like this splayed tray required.
Thank you for the information.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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