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Project by recycle1943 posted 04-21-2020 02:18 PM 666 views 2 times favorited 19 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I made these crosses a couple months ago in anticipation of a spring show. We all now know that didn’t happen but I have a dozen or so for inventory. A cross isn’t necessarily a seasonal item as I sell them all year and usually a few at every show we attend. A lot of these will be sold ($20 ) and just as many will be given away ( just because )
These are poplar and walnut with bloodwood inserts and are 4 pieces not counting the bloodwood. My point here is that in my previous post https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/414542 you will notice a 11” x 4” x 4 1/2” box with no splines – uhohh
So, to make these crosses I shape a strip of walnut (or poplar ) and cut a groove down the center, glue in the bloodwood with a press fit. In a couple hours I cut that strip into 4 pieces, cut 45 degree miters on all ends.
Then those pieces are glued using a stick together by hand process and left to dry on a rubber mat for 10 or 15 minutes then gently lifted by rotating to loosen from the mat and balanced on anything that will allow air to get to the bottom. Because of this method I leave them dry over night and start sanding and finishing.
So that leads me back to the box previously posted that has no splines – it doesn’t need them to maintain it’s integrity. I have hundreds of trays and small boxes out there that have been mitered and either hand set or rubber band set with no failures.

Now I’m realtively sure that this will inspire some feedback and I look forward to hearing the miter spline/no spline issue.

Thanks for looking and I’m waiting – - -

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them





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splintergroup

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#1 posted 04-21-2020 02:44 PM

Nice and clean lines Dick!

I agree in principle with you on the simple miters, you have a lot of glue surface holding everything together. If it gets thrown against a brick wall and fails, then there are other things to worry more about! The one thing I always fear with mitered items I sell is if one gets dropped and broken inadvertently (or just fall off a wall).

Of corse with miters you left in a way to get a neat center feature with all the woods joining cleanly at a point, the only way that could be done 8^) The time savings by not doing any superfulous fiddling has appeal!

Being who I am, if I made these I’d either do some destructive testing or cut a spline slot on the lower half of those miter points and make a square hidden spline. I’d rest a lot easier!

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#2 posted 04-21-2020 04:15 PM



Nice and clean lines Dick!

I agree in principle with you on the simple miters, you have a lot of glue surface holding everything together. If it gets thrown against a brick wall and fails, then there are other things to worry more about! The one thing I always fear with mitered items I sell is if one gets dropped and broken inadvertently (or just fall off a wall).

Of corse with miters you left in a way to get a neat center feature with all the woods joining cleanly at a point, the only way that could be done 8^) The time savings by not doing any superfulous fiddling has appeal!

Being who I am, if I made these I d either do some destructive testing or cut a spline slot on the lower half of those miter points and make a square hidden spline. I d rest a lot easier!

- splintergroup

You are absolutely correct – I’m not advocating to not use splines at all, I’m just saying that with a good miter joint that a helper (spline etc) isn’t always necessary.
The crosses above are a perfect example. I sand them with a ros and resting on my knee while holding one end in my hand. That is nearly the supreme test of a glue joint – 50 or 60 of them and no failures lucky ? or good glue ?

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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#3 posted 04-21-2020 04:21 PM

Well, I’ll chime in, out of boredom due to this shutdown.
Regarding your point discussed, I’ve never assembled a miter like your description. All my corners on boxes etc., were either through dovetails, half blind or hidden dovetails. I suppose if you used a good epoxy that would add a significant amount of strength, but as to yellow glue, I’ve no idea. Dumber than a stick regarding this.
If I were to make something similar to what you did here, I would most probably make the center of the cross with a half-lap joint. Easy enough to do and adds a lot of I integrity to the assembly. But that’s just me, and to each his own, as the saying goes: there’s more than one way to skin a cat!

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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#4 posted 04-21-2020 04:26 PM



Well, I ll chime in, out of boredom due to this shutdown.
Regarding your point discussed, I ve never assembled a miter like your description. All my corners on boxes etc., were either through dovetails, half blind or hidden dovetails. I suppose if you used a good epoxy that would add a significant amount of strength, but as to yellow glue, I ve no idea. Dumber than a stick regarding this.
If I were to make something similar to what you did here, I would most probably make the center of the cross with a half-lap joint. Easy enough to do and adds a lot of I integrity to the assembly. But that s just me, and to each his own, as the saying goes: there s more than one way to skin a cat!

- Oldtool

gotcha – everybody has THEIR way to get things done. I use Titebond 11 on nearly everything except resin and those miter joints on the crosses have been working for several years and plus, I like the appearance of the miter in the center

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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#5 posted 04-21-2020 05:04 PM

Nice work, Dick. I think we are all missing out on a lot of things so far and now I hear it may go till June or more!!

Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#6 posted 04-21-2020 05:12 PM

I’m not here to say its wrong I’m here to ask are the a wall hanging or do you have stands for them or how to display them in your house ? sorry for being stupid GREAT JOB :<))

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN :<))

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#7 posted 04-21-2020 05:13 PM

Dick,
Regarding your comment: I like the appearance of the miter in the center, don’t forget a half-lap in the center of the cross could be cut to form the appearance of the same four miters you use.

Just say’en, cause I’m still “shutdown bored”, not being argumentative.

Have a good day …..

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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#8 posted 04-21-2020 06:37 PM


Nice work, Dick. I think we are all missing out on a lot of things so far and now I hear it may go till June or more!!

Cheers, Jim

- Jim Jakosh


Thanks Jim, we had a one day show scheduled for June 12th – we opted out today. Pretty sure the show will go on but without us. We usually make it a 3 day camping weekend with another couple but we all thought that the fun wasn’t worth the possible risk. So we’ll just stay home and wait til the October show

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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#9 posted 04-21-2020 06:40 PM



I m not here to say its wrong I m here to ask are the a wall hanging or do you have stands for them or how to display them in your house ? sorry for being stupid GREAT JOB :<))

- GR8HUNTER

I don’t display them at all but they can be wall hung with the 3M quick release tape. At a show we just have them lying on our table

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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recycle1943

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#10 posted 04-21-2020 06:45 PM



Dick,
Regarding your comment: I like the appearance of the miter in the center, don t forget a half-lap in the center of the cross could be cut to form the appearance of the same four miters you use.

Just say en, cause I m still “shutdown bored”, not being argumentative.

Have a good day …..

- Oldtool

I never thought of doing them that way – might try it next time if I remember.
argumentative ? I never thought that for a second, from you or any of the responses. In a round about way I asked for opinions and thanks for your nickles worth lol

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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#11 posted 04-21-2020 08:43 PM

I like your crosses, the technique is very nice looking, i think they will hold up for its purpose. If one decides to use it on a vampire that’s another question. Nice work Dick.

-- Dave, Downers Grove, Il. -------- When you run out of ideas, start building your dreams.

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recycle1943

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#12 posted 04-21-2020 09:51 PM

Thanks Dave –
I forgot to mention in the original post that the crosses are only about 5/16” thick

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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#13 posted 04-21-2020 11:46 PM

Very Nice should sell well, Good Job.

-- Soli Deo gloria!

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#14 posted 04-22-2020 12:18 AM

I like your crosses.

-- Brian - Hazelton, British Columbia

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recycle1943

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#15 posted 04-22-2020 02:01 AM



Very Nice should sell well, Good Job.

- oldrivers


I like your crosses.

- bushmaster

Thanks guys

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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