i for one have never been really pleased with kregs ff. clamps . ive had problems with the face side not being exactly flush and caused a lot of sanding , not every one but enough that i thought there was reason to search for a better way . i do a lot of wainscoting and the frames are quite often 12 / 14 ft. long . so if i have a few that are not flush it takes a while to sand them in . ive read here that some guys use the kreg clamps to keep them aligned and then add a regular clamp to keep it from slipping when screwing it down . my purpose for buying the pockethole system was to save time and increase production , and all the clamping defeats my purpose . if you have similar problems heres what i did
the two rear tines push the stile and rail separately against the flat steel face . i tried it out on two frames yesterday , the first joint wasnt perfect . i increased the pressure slightly and the rest came out quite flush .
overall im pleased with the outcome , however i may add some quarter sized feet to the rear tines . the clamp cost 22.00 the steel plate was donated by my machineist neighbor thanks to him and thank you for looking !
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Scott Bryan
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#1 posted 03-07-2008 02:46 PM
This is a interesting solution to a common problem. Like you I have had similar problems with my Kreg system but, as a hobbiest, I have endured the sanding. But this looks like a way to eliminate some of this. I will have to put this on my ever growing list of things to do.
Thanks for the post.
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#2 posted 03-07-2008 02:58 PM
I made a pair of these, by accident, once when I was welding. Of course the plate was a lot bigger :]
Good idea, Mrtrim. I’ll have to try this. I’ve been clamping my pieces to the workbench to try and keep them flush.
mrtrim
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#3 posted 03-07-2008 03:13 PM
scott , thanks ive endured the sanding a long time myself . i tend to look at things in black and white , it either works or it dont . i hate things that works sometimes or most of the time but sometimes dosent .
i love the pockethole system but never been happy with their clamps
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#4 posted 03-07-2008 03:33 PM
Great solution!
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mrtrim
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#5 posted 03-07-2008 03:34 PM
tim , ive had a few of those accidents myself ! !
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#6 posted 03-07-2008 03:35 PM
thanks gary
Brad_Nailor
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#7 posted 03-07-2008 04:51 PM
Have you looked into one of these? http://www.amazon.com/Kreg-KLBK-Large-Bench-System/dp/B0007VYL34/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1204901262&sr=1-6
You recess it flush in your bench top. Gives you the ability to really put substantial pressure on the joint so it wont move when you screw it together. They also make this http://www.amazon.com/Kreg-KKS1000-Klamp-Table-Top/dp/B000SRI4DU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1204901416&sr=1-9 But it sounds like your doing allot of work on-site so these might not be practical solutions for you.
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#8 posted 03-07-2008 05:05 PM
I installed the large clamp system in my workbench and all my joints come out dead flat even with each other.
The plate and clamp system allow you to put a lot of pressure and surface area over the joints.
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#9 posted 03-07-2008 10:44 PM
david and jeff , yes ive considered the bench clamps just because they looked like they will certainly do the job
however i do a lot of on site work and also the frames are so large the only practical way i could use them was either a 30 ft. bench or 3 separate benches . thanks guys
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#10 posted 03-08-2008 04:10 AM
Norm Abrams (New Yankee Workshop) recently did a new series on kitchen cabinets where he used a pair of Vise-Grips with added 1” round pads to clamp and hold flush the rail and stile. Then he added the Kreg Jig and the screws pulled the joint tight. Looks like the Vise-Grips were factory made too, so they shouldn’t be too hard to find.
I keep hearing only good reviews on this Kreg system. Looks like I might need to add one to my shop in the near future.
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#11 posted 03-08-2008 05:34 AM
dadoo , yes those are what ive used , i think they came with the pockethole set . in my opinion they suck ! lol
the system itself is great , if you get it youll wonder why you didnt get it sooner !
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#12 posted 03-08-2008 07:13 AM
Great post Trim, thanks for the info.
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mrtrim
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#13 posted 03-08-2008 02:09 PM
thank you grumpy
Dadoo
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#14 posted 03-08-2008 05:08 PM
So what I’m seeing here is that I should buy the jig and bit but not the kit. OK. Your clamp I imagine, is used upside down, with the tines against the unfinished side of your project. The wider base therefore gives you a larger clamping/holding area? OK…Good idea. And it will save me $20.00 with which I can put into screws.
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#15 posted 03-09-2008 12:04 AM
dadoo, the difference in the clamps besides the larger face is thiers has one tine in the back thats supposed to hold both stile and rail at the same time where mine has 2 one on the rail and one on the stile independantly . and that is what i see as the main improvement
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