I Met Some Great LumberJocks Last Weekend

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Blog entry by leonmcd posted 05-08-2008 03:31 PM 1733 reads 0 times favorited 17 comments Add to Favorites Watch

First some history ….

A few weeks ago what I thought was a lot of cane projects started showing up. When I first saw the cane projects, I was very impressed. Interesting designs and beautiful workmanship. As more and more posts showed up, I wondered what was going on. It seemed that someone was posting an entire catalog ( my wording ). I started reading some of the posts in detail and seemed to me a little salesy ( just my opinion ).

I thought about doing a post to object to this use of the LJ site. Instead, I decided to post it as a marketing strategy and see what other LJ’s had to say. Could be that I was the only one that didn’t like it. I include Mark’s name in my post as the source of the strategy.

After my post, one of Mark’s buddies ( Darryl ) thought I was being mean to Mark and posted a comment that Mark was a really nice guy and that I should just “Back off already”.

I responded to Darryl’s comments in the forum and explained how I didn’t feel I had done anything wrong. Furthermore, I felt that if the friendly atmosphere, the sharing of opinions and woodworking expertise go away why should I stay?

So Mark annoyed me with his projects, I annoyed Darryl with my forum post, and Darryl annoyed me with his comments about my post. I’m ready to quit LumberJocks.

Not off to a very good start!

So I’m working on my LumberJock’s resignation letter. Stuff about how I don’t need the aggravation. How I can get 90% of what I want from LumberJocks by just lurking and never participating. My spiteful side was wondering if Martin had “It’s A Wonderful Life” button he could push to delete everything I’d ever done on LumberJocks. LumberJocks and I could part company as if I’d never been here.

Then I get two PM’s. One from Mark (the guy that annoyed me). He is encouraging me to stick with it, keep participating and don’t quit. He seemed to think that LumberJocks needs people that are involved and willing to contribute to make it even better. Seems too that Mark had recognized the problem that had annoyed me – posting lots of projects with a sales spin. He tried to find a way to get the projects into his gallery without posting them as projects but currently that’s the only way to get something in your gallery. Mark also included his personal and business background and some history on the LumberJocks site. Turn’s out Mark is a really nice guy!

The second PM was from Darryl (the guy that I annoyed and the guy that made me want to quit ). He was actually asking me to stay too! He apologized for his over exuberant response to my post. Seems that Darryl is a nice guy too!

While all this is going on, Bill – Ad Marketing Guy weighs in on my original post about my interpretation of Mark’s “marketing strategy”. Bill thinks there needs to be some clarification on how search engine optimization and Internet marketing work. So Bill offers to start a blog series on Internet Marketing.

Things are looking better…

I got acquainted with two really nice LumberJocks and got another LumberJock to contribute some much needed marketing advice.

All because I saw something about the LumberJocks site that I thought needed to be addressed and because those involved are mature, intelligent people that are capable of working through their differences.

Based on the GREAT Success of this post, I’m going to renege on my “promise to keep my opinions to myself in the future”. I plan to keep posting things that I think need discussion. Might be more controversial than “What You Have for Breakfast” but I think free and open idea exchange is necessary for the healthy growth of LumberJocks.

-- Leon -- Houston, TX - " I create all my own designs and it looks like it "

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#1 posted 05-08-2008 03:51 PM

glad you all made up.. no reason to be ticking eachother off

-- making sawdust....

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#2 posted 05-08-2008 04:10 PM

Hi Leon,

Actually posting your opinions is what this site is about. It is healthy to get diverse points of view on a subject. Just think how boring it would be if we were all clones of one another!!!! We all aren’t going to see things in the same perspective and that leads to invigorating discussions and, just maybe, changing one another’s opinions/ideas. But the important thing is that everyone involved here has something positive to contribute and their individual opinion is valued.

I am glad to see that you have decided to tear up your resignation letter. Your opinions, ideas and posts are a valuable part of this community. As in all families we are going to have our disagreements but the important thing is to keep the discussions open and freely exchange information with one another.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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#3 posted 05-08-2008 04:14 PM

And that’s the way it should work. No need to launch the missles until everyone has had a chance to communicate. Congratulations to all of you! Great post.

-- If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free! PJ O'Rourke

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#4 posted 05-08-2008 05:00 PM

Good for you Leon. You would have needed asbestos underwear on most other sites I’ve been to. I read the whole aforementioned thread, and thought it was a civilized discussion of some differing opinions. No flames, no threats.

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#5 posted 05-08-2008 05:06 PM

Thanks for keeping it real and being honest. That goes a long way!

-- Eric at

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#6 posted 05-08-2008 05:21 PM

The more opinions the better. Be it favorable or adverse. It makes for an intelligent discussion. The important thing is to respect the dissenting opinion.

-- "Real jocks do it on a bench"

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#7 posted 05-08-2008 05:54 PM

Glad we are working through it all.
I’m not going to post so much in one time ever again!
I’m still going to post, but in a much less dominating way, trickling it in, letting others get their projects to run through the main page for a few minutes before booted by someone else.
I remember when a guy/gal could post a project, and it would be first page sitting for at least a couple of days. In those days, we were wishing for more members. I’m glad they showed up.
Glad you pointed it out to me the impressions and how it looked to you.
Also, appreciate that you were willing to listen to my side of the situation.
We all have opinions, the key is not to get wound up when our opinion is not appreciated. This is a lesson that I need to learn as much as anyone else.

We live and participate in this LJ community as if it is a republic, not a monarchy. Hail, King Martin! (bowing slowly now). What happens if he says, “I’ve had it!”

Conflict is not something most of us want, but it is an inevitable outcome when we bump into another person.
Someone once said, ”What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you?”

In almost every case where I have been involved in a conflict, this was the core of my hurt feelings. I thought I ought to get my way. I’m still growing and trying, thanks for your patience.

Glad you are staying,

(P.S. If Martin did make one of those single “I’m Gone!” buttons, just think how many times we would use it, and then wish we hadn’t later. So, if he does make that button, he needs to also make a “I’m Back Again!” button. I’ve quit three other forums for similar things. I thought seriously about quitting also, but like you decided to stay on and see where it heads.)

-- Mark DeCou - American Contemporary Craft Artisan -

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#8 posted 05-08-2008 06:07 PM

THAT, Ladies and Gentlemen… is what makes the world go ‘round.

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †

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Mark A. DeCou

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#9 posted 05-08-2008 07:01 PM

Oh, I thought I ought to correct something I said up above:

We all feel that we are in a LJ Community that is a “Democracy,” which gives everyone an equal vote, and the majority wins.

A “Republic” is where the people vote for representatives who make decisions for the people.

The USA is a Republic. LJ is a Monarchy with a Kind and Generous King. Hail Martin!

I don’t know how that point really matters to our discussion, but it was something my Government Teacher in high school tried to make sure that none of us kids ever forgot. He was the Kind and Generous King in his classroom.

Ha (trying to be funny)


-- Mark DeCou - American Contemporary Craft Artisan -

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#10 posted 05-08-2008 08:44 PM

Great discussion. I’m glad that you didn’t leave Leon. I’ve been the mediator a couple of times on LJ and I don’t see either of them much anymore. One in a while I see a post ,but it’s been quiet. Meaningful discussion is good Spiteful discussion causes others to sit back and say “Come on guys, forget it. Let it pass.”

We need healthy discussions on woodworking here on this site. Those things that have made us what we are today. Things that have made a lot of others to come in and join. And possibly others to lurk.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Appomattox Virginia [email protected]

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#11 posted 05-09-2008 01:15 AM

I have stayed in touch with Leon and he informed me that he had considered passing on posting this topic. I’m glad he didn’t.

While I could have done without the drama (brought on by no one but myself I might add) this was a great eye opener for me that it’s all to easy to imply an incorrect attitude or meaning of another jock’s post. I for one have learned that if I ever questions someone’s meaning in a post, I’ll drop a quick and easy PM to see what’s up.

I do like the feel and support of this site and appreciate the hard work that Martin (or King Martin…) has put into it for us!

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#12 posted 05-09-2008 02:27 PM

“Can’t we all just get along”....Rodney King


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#13 posted 05-11-2008 03:20 PM

David, the bold letters are for you, and the rest is for LEON. Leon, You know how I hate it when someone speaks their mind. Follow my example … I never do that. Oh, I’ve been exactly where you were, and I was feeling it again the last week or so. Thank you for clearing my head Leon ….. Now, let the GAMES begin!

-- Odie, Confucius say, "He who laughs at one's self is BUTT of joke". (my funny blog)

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#14 posted 05-11-2008 07:05 PM

Thanks for great post.

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#15 posted 05-11-2008 11:19 PM

Odie you brought tears to my Dude. Games?

-- ??? My mistakes heat the house. It's very warm in here. ???

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