Ok, so I found this plane at an estate sale a few months ago. I decided to finally give it a make over when I started trying to ID the type. Using the flow charts I find online I would assume it is a type 4. However, there are some strange things that don’t match like the frog screws being round head screws, and the frog seat on the sole is kind of strange. Also, the lever cap has an interesting design on near the bottom. The only marks on the sole that I can make out is No 7 in front of the knob. The blade has the “Stanley New Britain Conn USA” upside down triangle mark. Anyways, hopefully someone can help me out before I make a mistake restoring a plane that shouldn’t be restored. I guess it could be some sort of Frankenstein plane.
Short front knob with bead at base
small brass adjusting screw (no visible markings)
Solid Brass pieces for knob and tote screws, recessed lever cap.
front of lever cap with wavy design at bottom
twisted lateral adjustment lever
Frog with round head screws
frog seat and round head screws
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WayneC
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#1 posted 07-01-2011 02:45 AM
Use the rexmill site…. It has photos.
https://home.comcast.net/~stanleyplanes/planes101/typing/typing.htm
It might be another brand (ohio?) with a Stanley cutter…
If the frog mounts correctly to the bed, I would restore it and use it anyway….
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#2 posted 07-01-2011 02:54 AM
Thanks WayneC, that’s one of the type studies I looked at and realized it didn’t match any of them exactly. I’ll must likely restore it, just have to get a bigger bucket for electrolysis.
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#3 posted 07-01-2011 02:59 AM
To me it does not look like a Stanley. The mount point for the frog looks wrong and the stanleys would have patent info on lateral adjuster/knob. It does look like a quality early plane and should make a good user for you. Also if you can identify what brand it is, you might be able to find an original blade.
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#4 posted 07-01-2011 01:24 PM
Would that be a union tool frog ?
http://www.brasscityrecords.com/toolworks/FEATURE/union%20frog%20design/union_frog.htm
The twisted lever appear to match
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#5 posted 07-01-2011 05:07 PM
llwynog, I think you might have got it! I don’t have pictures of the top of the frog at work right now to confirm which era it would be, but from what the link showed it matches from what I can see. Makes sense too, since I got this Union #5AG at the same estate sale.
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#6 posted 07-02-2011 10:10 AM
So Hodgepodge, did you get to compare the frogs ?
For the records, on the same site, there is this useful page to differentiate between Stanley, Sargent, Union and Millers Falls frog designs :
http://www.brasscityrecords.com/toolworks/graphics/plane%20id.html
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#7 posted 07-02-2011 04:16 PM
That is a very useful page Fabrice. I also like the entry at the bottom of the page showing the frogs to stay away from…
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#8 posted 07-03-2011 01:36 AM
llwynog, sorry for the delay. Here are pics of the frog. Doesn’t appear to match either of the era’s!! It’s a mystery!
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#9 posted 07-03-2011 07:31 AM
Oh…Oh well…
Congratulations, You’ve got yourself a Mystery plane !
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