LumberJocks #8: When We Disagree

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Blog entry by Cricket posted 02-07-2019 06:40 PM 2221 reads 0 times favorited 38 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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We all have different opinions. That’s real life.

Can you imagine how boring things would be if we all agreed on everything?

I encourage open discussions. It is how we all learn.

That being said, woodworking isn’t an angry debate, even when we disagree.

When a member asks a question, the odds are very good that there will be a wide range of answers, some of which may be the complete opposite of what you believe. When we see a post (in the responses) that we don’t agree with, it is not up to us to prove why their response is right or wrong, or why we think our response it better. Doing so will only confuse the original point of the discussion. Sometimes there is no right or wrong answer. It is up to the original poster to determine which response makes the most sense to them.

Treat each other with respect.

- Cricket

Respect For Others

-- Community Manager

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#1 posted 02-07-2019 07:32 PM

Very well written!

I have noticed on this and several other forums, the lack of personal interaction will allow people to to become incredibly disrespectful toward one another where such behavior in a face to face conversation would be almost unheard of (hopefully) for the same people. It’s a sad truth that the security of anonymity can cause the worse to come out in some people. I have notice elsewhere and here especially the problems stem often from the same common denominator(s). I’ve seen this in most of the threads where you have had to intervene or outright close the conversation to the detriment of all due to the behavior of just a few.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#2 posted 02-07-2019 08:17 PM

Lots of good points Cricket I think the bottom line that you have is literally the bottom line(respect for others)
I don’t agree with all of what Bigblock says. I feel that LJs has a lot folks that interact and consider each other good friends even though they have never met in person and perhaps live in different countries.
The part of Bigblock’s post I do agree with is that a very small percentage of the Ljs community seem to have personalities that it’s their way or the highway and will pound their opinion to there dying breath. what I attempt to do in this type of post that these individuals take over is to state my opinion and let it lie, these people love controversies and love a debating just for the purpose of either proving they’re superior know how or intelligence or just for the fun of the battle or to stir up the membership.
Bottom line enjoys Ljs and the good folks, projects, and information and sharing that this great website has to offer.
If you have to act in some way just click on “flag” and let Cricket do what she does so well.


View Cricket's profile


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#3 posted 02-07-2019 09:49 PM

Far too often we feel we have to have the last word and life is just too short for that. Even when someone is rude or disrespectful, by reacting to it, we fuel the fire. Best bet is always to click that flag button when there is an issue and let me check on the issue.

One of my favorite quotes…

”You don’t have to attend every argument to which you are invited.”

That being said, the vast majority of our members are highly respectful and go out of their way to help others.

-- Community Manager

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Monte Pittman

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#4 posted 02-07-2019 10:16 PM

We must agree to disagree sometimes. What works for one person may not work for others.

Arguing with someone on the internet usually is not a valuable use of your time>

-- Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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#5 posted 02-07-2019 10:18 PM

”You don’t have to attend every argument to which you are invited.”

Boy, if more folks here and elsewhere subscribed to this we’d be golden. Thanks Cricket.

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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#6 posted 02-07-2019 11:59 PM

I get great value from LumberJocks, both in information and friendships. I heartily support the need for civility expressed by Cricket and others.

-- socrbent Ohio

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#7 posted 02-08-2019 05:57 PM

Any way we can be notified of these “disagreements” they are so entertaining!

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#8 posted 02-08-2019 06:16 PM

It’s unfortunate that some of the long time members who are truly experienced seem to have left or remain in lurker mode because of the incivility that occurs here from time to time. It’s disappointing and a real loss to the community.

-- Bill, Yo! Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#9 posted 02-08-2019 06:41 PM

Hi Bill
Not sure that I fall in that category or not but after 10 plus years on LJs sometimes it seems that you’re answering the same questions over and over and many times a newbie follows someone else’s advise good or bad, not that I’m the only one that is qualified to answer questions there are plenty of people here that are far more knowledgable than myself. The other end of the equation is as I’ve gotten older I’ve become even busier than before oddly enough.
I’m still a big LJ fan and recommend it to my students and on other forums and FB.


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#10 posted 02-08-2019 06:53 PM

Jim you are one of the members I was referring to. I understand the idea that there’s not a lot which hasn’t been hashed and rehashed and how that could get boring. I also understand there’s always more than one way to do things and everyone has an opinion. That’s what makes this a great resource. I don’t understand how someone could get carried away with needing to be right. Seems to be an epidemic on the Internet.

Though it’s good to be busy, I thought you retired? lol Glad you checked in. Resume lurker mode ;)

-- Bill, Yo! Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#11 posted 02-08-2019 07:50 PM

I’m still contracting, taking commissions in my woodshop, teaching for my local community college, teaching private classes, volunteering at two local high schools and have started a woodworking club plus I’m Still checking in on LJs,FB and woodworking web. Besides that, I have plenty of time LOL.


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Joe Lyddon

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#12 posted 02-10-2019 07:54 AM


I have not seen such Knock Down Drug Out conversations here on LJ in a very long time!!

I didn’t think it ever happened HERE!

Sorry it’s happening…

There are several approaches that can be taken… and still remain civil:

“I used to do that, but I found by doing it this way, it solved the problem of …..”

“I do it this way only because I don’t end up having problems like …...”

“If you get good results doing that, good for you… Keep on doing it… BUT…”

etc. etc. etc.

Happy HAPPY H A P P Y !!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: ... My Small Gallery:

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#13 posted 02-11-2019 03:11 PM

Some of my favorites
“Never miss a good chance to shut up.”
“Talk low, talk slow, and don’t say too much.”

-- The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast, and you miss all you are traveling for. Louis L'Amour

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#14 posted 02-11-2019 07:04 PM

Hi Bill
Not sure that I fall in that category or not but after 10 plus years on LJs sometimes it seems that you re answering the same questions over and over
- a1Jim

I may have mentioned this before and remember that there was some reason it couldn’t be done but I think the ability to keep some of the answers to the most frequently asked questions in a “sticky” it might be helpful. There must be hundreds of threads titled “which table saw should I buy” or “my bandsaw isn’t acting right”.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#15 posted 02-12-2019 01:14 AM

Waited too long to add to the previous post. Things like links to vintage tool sites and youtube videos Snodgrass in the bandsaw section and Stumpy etc. A reference library of sorts, as opposed to “help me buy a table saw”. It would list things you need to consider if you’re buying a certain tool. Then their questions wouldn’t be so general and they would get better responses. Topics like “Which router should I buy?” always begs to have the same questions answered starting with “what are you gonna use it for?”.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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