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Forum topic by Todd_R posted 02-12-2019 04:40 PM 203 views 0 times favorited 6 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Todd_R

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02-12-2019 04:40 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collection

All,

I’ve been doing a lot more wood work and with the winter the doors are best kept closed to keep warm. I have come to the realization I’m not doing a good job with my shop vac collecting dust. For my health I’ve decided I have to drop some cash on a good dust collection system to capture as much as possible.
I’ve read through much of Bill Pentz’s stuff and have some idea what is necessary, but have noticed there’s been no updates in years now. There’s good information there and I’m basing much of my decisions on that information.
I have a 3 car garage and all but have decided there’s no chance more than one car will ever fit in there and that said a car hasn’t sat in the garage for several months now. I work with metal and starting to work more with wood so space is a factor. So I’m still deciding if I want to build an anex room off the garage to house the DC system and vent it externally or just mount it in the shop. I’d rather have it externally located as I don’t like the noise and venting externally with out a filter gives added power from what I understand. I’m leaning towards the flexibility of using Norfab or equivalent QF piping as I seem to move things around.
I currently have a router, table saw, bench top planer, and miter saw (with out a permanent station). I’d also like to rig this up for a hood or downdraft table for sanding.
I’m a bit torn on what company to go with here Oneida or ClearVue. I’ve seen and read some negative things about both but more concerning reviews with ClearVue. Not sure what is what here or if there’s a big difference. I am pondering either the Oneida V3000 or the ClearVue CV1800 or CVMax. I’d rather go to big than have to regret not having enough power, and I’d love to have the upgraded Steel cyclone but I’m having a hard time justifying the $1000 increase in cost.

Love to hear the feedback from those of you with recent experience with these products. I’ve seen the previous posts here on LJ but most of them are several years old, so I thought it was worth posting again.

-- Todd


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Fred Hargis

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#1 posted 02-12-2019 05:03 PM

I switched from an Oneida SDG to a CV1800, so that should clarify my opinion between the 2. Should you go with the CV (just got it installed last summer), the annex room makes a lot of sense (not sure the venting out does, but that’s a heating thing). My CV has the 16” impeller, and the noise is 94 dB before I turn on any other tools. Since my shop is a freestanding building out in the country, it bothers no one but me…but I shudder to think what that would be like in the house with an attached shop. As for the 16” impeller…this thing moves an absolutely incredible amount of air. I have an Excalibur overarm guard on the saw, and it will suck the insert up. I would suggest the 15” impeller…it will move plenty f air, and be just a tad quieter. Lastly, about the metal CV…had that one been available when i bought mine, I would have got it. I have no problem with the plastic model, but the steel one might be a little more quiet.

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#2 posted 02-12-2019 05:16 PM

I have the Oneida V3000 (older style w/metal cyclone). It’s CFM has been outstanding and it is quiet (ridgid shopvac is much louder). I have it in the corner of my basement shop area. The only thing I’ve had to replace is the filter after 5 years of use. Oneida also offers a add-on silencer to further drop the noise of their cyclones.
I have 5 blast-gate zones for the different equipment connected via metal ducting. 15” planner is biggest chip maker connected and V3000 easily handles it without an issue.
I’ve had very good experiences with the Oneida staff as well. I only regret not buying the machine earlier.

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Todd_R

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#3 posted 02-12-2019 05:25 PM

Thank Fred. Let me clarify, when I say an annex room I really mean a room external to the garage. I’m thinking of building a small external structure (against the side of the garage) to house the DC system and simply vent externally. This isn’t ideal but I live in California and the warm or hot days far out number the cold days, so venting air outside isn’t ideal at times but it is probably not an issue and it could be helpful in the summer.

Bottom line I want to make the DC usable and if the CV1800 is 93 DB that would run me out of the garage being that these motors are not designed to be turned on/off all the time (my understanding they should be left on all the time versus turned on/off constantly). That said CV claims that CV1800 is 79 DB now, so I wonder if that was a change recently to the system. If the Oneida is really only 74 DB (as reported by Oneida) at 10 ft it might be possible to live with that but even then I know that would get annoying to listen to for 10 minutes after I turned on the saw for one cut. I can live with a shop vac that is that loud but (that’s what my current shop vac measures, 74 db) but it begins to annoy me shortly after I turn off the saw if I leave it on.

-- Todd

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Manitario

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#4 posted 02-12-2019 05:25 PM

You’ll read opinions about both that are good and bad but the bottom line is that both are reasonable options and will perform well enough to provide you with clean air. My concern with Oneida products is that they minimize their filter area; I wonder how this affects the airflow with use eg. the V3000 has a 95sqft filter vs the CV which has 300sqft. I’ve also heard about the Oneida having less effective dust separation with their cyclone design. Not sure how much of an issue this is in real life though.

I’ve had a CV1800 for 7 years. Started with it in a 2 car garage and now use it in a 1000sqft shop. The objective evidence that it works well for me is that the particle count in my shop stays less than 200 when I’m out there for an afternoon and running tools. This is cleaner air than my house! The CFM at the end of my longest runs (50ft) averages just over 500, which I think is pretty good for the static pressure in the long runs.

I don’t have any complaints about the CV and haven’t had any problems with it. It separates dust effectively. It does require more effort than the Oneida for setup and more attention to detail, but once it was set up, it’s been great. I’m not sure that there is any reason to buy the new metal version; I’m sucking up wood chips not rocks. For me, 7 years of use and the cyclone unit shows no wear.

I also have the QF piping. The initial cost hurt bad but it pays for itself every time I move a machine or reconfigure my shop for a new tool and can quickly change up the piping. I used KB duct (cheaper than Nordfab) but experience showed me that the Nordfab clamps are better so used them with the KB ducting. Both brands are compatible with each other.

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Manitario

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#5 posted 02-12-2019 05:27 PM

Comment about the noise; I have my DC in a well insulated closet in my shop. Noise level is ~70 db at 10ft from the closet.

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#6 posted 02-12-2019 06:18 PM


Thank Fred. Let me clarify, when I say an annex room I really mean a room external to the garage. I m thinking of building a small external structure (against the side of the garage) to house the DC system and simply vent externally. This isn t ideal but I live in California and the warm or hot days far out number the cold days, so venting air outside isn t ideal at times but it is probably not an issue and it could be helpful in the summer.

- Todd_R

I got that about what the annex room was, and like I said it’s worth considering. Don’t overlook the larger impeller I have, I’m sure that contributes to the noise level. As for how loud they are, the installation (mine is in a corner which gives me maximum sound reflection; and my sound meter is a $20 Amazon job. Also, not sure how much this impacts the noise, but I do use 6” PVC ducts. Manitario’s results with enclosing are more (I guess) what you would experience.

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